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Why Do Bell and Rogers Have Customers?

Posted by Laurel L. Russwurm on May 10, 2010

No Usage Based BillingUnlike many Canadians, I am fortunate to live in an area where there is Internet competition.   The title question is something I’ve often wondered.

My family switched our Internet account to the Independent Internet Service Provider Tek Savvy a long time ago, and we have never for a minute regretted this.   Since then, we have received lots of junk mail from both Bell and Rogers attempting to get us to switch, but their special offers never seem as good a deal as we get from Tek Savvy.

Tek Savvy

I just paid my monthly flat rate Tek Savvy Invoice:

$29.95 per month before taxes
5 Mbps download speed
200 Gigabyte cap

Tek Savvy averages the 200 Gigabyte cap over 2 months, so if we’re a little over one month it balances out with the next when we’re a little under.   Having never been charged for exceeding the 200 Gigabytes bandwidth I don’t have any idea what going over would cost.

Before doing a comparison, I’d better explain that I had to buy a modem in order to connect to Tek Savvy. If memory serves, it cost in the neighborhood of a couple hundred dollars.

Another interesting note: if we were to decide to change ISPs, Tek Savvy doesn’t charge a penalty.   From what I’ve heard there are very heavy penalties for leaving other Internet service providers…


I took a look at the Internet packages that Bell Canada Offers:

Bell Canada’s Premium Internet Package

Bell Canada’s premium package is Fibe 25, pricing starts at $52.95 per month. For that you get 75GB/month; $1.00/additional GB, (max. $30/mo.), rounded up to the next GB.

Bell’s Fibe 25

  • Speeds of up to 25 Mbps1
  • New, next generation fibre optic network
  • Free wireless home networking and free Wi-Fi at Starbucks – a Bell exclusive
  • Security Advanced service included

But if you look closely you’ll see there are lots of “weasel words” in this advertising copy.

Bell’s Fibe 25
Performance you want

  • Faster download speeds – up to 25 Mbps.1
  • Fastest upload speeds in the market – up to 7 Mbps
  • Internet usage: 75 GB of bandwidth per month

Weasel words like ”up to 25 Mbps”

The speeds offered are ”up to” which means Bell doesn’t actually have to ensure customer speeds of 25Mbps.   If you get speeds of 2 Mbps instead of 25 Mbps Bell does not even have to give you a discount.  

Now, I’m not a tech person, but I have a real hard time understanding why download speeds are up to 25Mbps while upload speeds are at best 7 Mbps.

Funny, there is no ambiguity about the 75 GB of bandwidth per month that you get.   If you go a little over that limit, make no mistake, you will be charged.   The ONLY way this could be at all equitable would be if you are credited for under use, but of course Bell doesn’t offer that.

People who do know how to measure their Mbps speeds seem to think that the speeds Bell customers get are nowhere near the speeds claimed in Bell advertising.

And what about “throttling”? Bell Canada has carte blanch permission to throttle internet traffic.   They are allowed to slow down your transfer speeds.

Even worse, Bell Canada has CRTC permission to slow down my speeds, and I’m not even a Bell Canada Customer.

Bell’s Fibe 25
Wireless, free and exclusive

  • Free wireless home networking for all your home computers
  • An extra wireless N router included at no extra cost so you can connect computers, Wi-Fi devices to the Internet at the fastest speed available
  • Connect wirelessly to share files and printers
  • Free Wi-Fi Internet access at over 650 Starbucks® locations across Canada

They talk about providing a free wireless router.   What if your computers don’t have wireless cards?   Are they outfitting all of that?   From my point of view, I’m looking for an Internet connection.   Whether I tap into the connection with or without wires, I’d think that was my decision.   It sounds as though they are including a wireless router for free.

Meanwhile, they charge you a monthly rental fee for the the modem you need to connect to the Internet.

I wonder why Bell is making such a big deal out of this.   It kind of makes me wonder if they are actually foreshadowing one day soon when they’ll start charging a steep surcharge on wireless access.

Bell’s Fibe 25
Built-in security
Enjoy Security Advanced service which protects up to three computers in your home from viruses and hackers.   Includes anti-virus, firewall, anti-spyware, fraud protection, disk optimizer, parental controls, 5 GB of Personal Vault storage, pop-up blocker and information protection.

Do I really want Bell Canada to be in control of my internet security?

Bell Canada, this same Internet carrier who applied and received permission from the CRTC to deploy Deep Packet Inspection in order to better discriminate against certain types of Internet Traffic?   As pointed out by the Canadian Privacy Commissioner (and ignored by the CRTC) this may in fact be a serious invasion of Canadian privacy.   Depending on how it is configured, and who is running it, DPI allows inspection of your packets– that is to say, whatever you upload or download from the internet.   Including email. Photographs. Home videos. In essence, the CRTC ruling gave Bell Canada legal permission to look into any of our unencrypted internet traffic. Bell Canada promised not to abuse this ability, and that was good enough for the CRTC, who didn’t impose any kind of oversight, so there is no means of policing Bell Canada’s use of DPI.   In essence, the CRTC gave Bell the key to all of our unencrypted private data.   For further information visit the Privacy Commissioner of Canada’s website hosting A Collection of Essays from Industry Experts on the Privacy aspects of DPI.

Am I really going to compound this by giving Bell control of my computer security too?

I don’t think so.

Maybe you are willing to trust every Bell Canada employee with access to your personal information, but me, I’m careful.   I don’t know their names, and even if did, I haven’t got the time or money to do background checks on them all. And we all know that background checks are fallible too.

You have to actually click on the “Certain Conditions apply” to see that:

Bell Canada’s fine print

  • Only available where technology permits
  • First, you pay a “One time activation fee ($29.95)” (– waived for Bell TV subscribers — isn’t that discriminatory?)
  • Modem rental ($6.95/mo.) extra.
  • $25 fee applies if you downgrade to slower-speed service
  • Additional service fee ($50 plus tax) applies upon early termination.
  • 30-day notice required to cancel service
  • Subject to change without notice and cannot be combined with any other offer.

[1] Speeds on the Internet may vary with your configuration, Internet traffic, server, applicable network management or other factors; see bell.ca/internet.

[2] Additional equipment required, including cables and adapters. (even MORE hidden charges)
[3] Also available to customers where Bell TV service is not available.

Available to new customers and existing Bell Internet dial-up customers who sign up for Bell Fibe 25 Internet on a 1-year contract and at least 1 other select service; see bell.ca/bundle. Monthly rate $67.95 (subject to change), less $10 credit for months 1 to 12 ($5 ongoing as a Bell TV customer), and $5 Bundle discount. Bundle discount may be terminated by Bell upon 30-day notice.

Fibe 25

they get you coming and going

You pay $29.95 to sign up for this high speed package. Then there are modem rental and unspecified equipment/cables/adapters.

But if it isn’t all you were led to believe, and you choose to downgrade to slower-speed service, Bell Canada hits you with another fee, this time $25.

Canceling altogether costs $50 plus tax and it takes them thirty days (on the clock) to do it.

All for connection speeds that are not even guaranteed.

Bell Canada seems to be offering a contract where the customer is locked in, while everything Bell “commits to” is vague, flexible and subject to change without notice.   Doesn’t sound very fair to me.

Rogers

Rogers offers a graduated series of packages, beginning with low transfer speeds and low bandwidth.
The lowest tier is Rogers Ultra-Lite, with 500kbps speed and 2Gigabites bandwidth for $27.99/month.
If you go over your limit, you are charged an additional $5.00/GB

Lite:
3 Mbps download, Up to 256Kbps upload speed allows you 25 Gigabytes bandwidth for $35.99 per month
Additional bandwidth if you exceed your limit is $2.50/GB

Express:
10 Mbps download, Up to 256Kbps upload speed allows you 60 Gigabytes bandwidth for $46.99 per month
Additional bandwidth if you exceed your limit is $2.00/GB

Extreme:
10 Mbps download, Up to 512Kbps upload speed allows you 95 Gigabytes bandwidth for $59.99 per month
Additional bandwidth if you exceed your limit is $1.50/GB

Extreme Plus:
25 Mbps download, Up to 1Mbps upload speed allows you 125 Gigabytes bandwidth for $69.99 per month
Additional bandwidth if you exceed your limit is $1.25/GB

Ultimate:
50 Mbps download, Up to 2Mbps upload speed allows you 175 Gigabytes bandwidth for $99.99 per month
Additional bandwidth if you exceed your limit is $2.00/GB

Rogers pricing

Rogers Ultimate Fine Print

† Speeds may vary with Internet traffic, server or other factors.   Also see the Acceptable Use Policy at rogers.com/terms.   Modem set-up: the system is configured to maximum modem capabilities within Rogers own network.

†† Usage allowances apply on a monthly basis and vary by tier of service.   Charges apply for additional use beyond the monthly usage allowance associated with your tier of service.   For details, visit rogers.com/keepingpace.

†††Rogers Hi Speed Internet (delivered over cable) and Portable Internet from Rogers currently manages upstream peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing applications speed to a maximum of 80 kbps per customer. This policy is maintained at all times. For information on Rogers Internet traffic management practices and Legal Disclosure click here.

1 Taxes and a $14.95 one-time activation fee apply, plus $7.00/mth modem rental or $199.95 modem purchase.

** The times specified are approximations and will vary depending on size and quality of content.

***Service only available in some areas in the GTA within Rogers serviceable areas. Digital TV subscription required.

Q: Why do Bell And Rogers Have Customers?

For an internet connection, there are really only two things to consider, the amount you can upload and download and the speed.
So my family gets 200 Gigabytes and 5 Mbps download speed for $29.95/month from Tek Savvy.

Rogers Ultimate offers 175 Gigabytes at 50 Mbps download speed for $99.99/month.

Bell’s Bell’s Fibe 25 offers of 75 Gigabytes at 25 Mbps download speed for $52.95/month

Although both Bell and Rogers claim to offer much higher Internet transfer speeds than I get from Tek Savvy, they are careful to tell you over and over again on their website that they are not actually obligated to deliver these speeds.   They are advertising “up to” speeds.

Since you can’t actually count on getting the advertised speed, really the only thing open for comparison is the allowed download/upload Gigabytes.   From where I sit, Bell and Rogers want to charge me a great deal more than I am paying Tek Savvy for a greatly reduced amount of download/upload Gigabytes.

So I really don’t get it. Why would people pay so much for so little?

The only answer that I can see is that for a great deal of Canada, the only choice available to Canadians is Bell Canada or Rogers.

Thanks to CRTC approval of Usage Based Billing, pretty soon that may be true for all of Canada.



If you haven’t already, sign the petition. There are only 10728 signatures.

If you have already signed, who else should you be asking to sign?

That’s easy: anyone who uses the Internet.

Because Usage Based Billing will harm both Canadians and our Economy.

http://dissolvethecrtc.ca/

STOP Usage Based Billing

STOP Usage Based Billing



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27 Responses to “Why Do Bell and Rogers Have Customers?”

  1. Pat said

    I have rogers and I get 4187 ping some nights But the only other option is Bell 😦

  2. Bob Bobson said

    Why do Bell and Rogers have customers? As you mentioned, for a lot of people, they are the only options. Teksavvy is NOT available in London Ontario, so I have no choice but to go with either Bell or Rogers, or else settle for some lesser service from Execulink or something.

    The USA isn’t a whole lot better, with only a small handful of providers, depending on the area, but at least they still have more than Canada does.

    North America may think it is hot stuff, but it is seriously lagging behind in technology. I will never forget my surprise and outrage when I read about how many other countries could get 50Mbps connections for ~$20(USD) when we were paying $50 for ~5Mbps. North America constantly talks about capitalism being so great and fair and everything else being bad, yet in many ways, technology in particular, we are stuck with what are in fact monopolies which make us have to settle for expensive crap when other parts of the world far outpace us.

  3. Peter Provencher said

    I have been with several ISPs over the years. Way back when I had a Commodore 64 to a 286, 386, 486 and finally into the Pentiums.
    I have been with TekSavvy for just over 3 years.
    This company is above and beyond in Customer care.
    The quality of their service is beyond reproach and I commend them for the work and service they provide.
    My 2 cents.
    Peter.

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  5. ubb sucks said

    What is usage based billing REALLY? I don’t understand what it is. I know you have to pay for usage, but I don’t quite understand what this means. Right now, I have the extreme (I believe) package from rogers which gives me 15mb/s down 1mb/s up with 80gb of bandwidth, and if I go over the 80gb I pay an extra $1.50 per gb of bandwidth. Is that not already usage based billing, though? I read somewhere that july 1st, 2011 useage based billing will come into affect for rogers, but how is this possible when they already have usage based billing (do they not…)? Does this mean I will have lower bandwidth limits and end up having to pay more than $1.50 per extra gb over whatever outrageous new low bandwidth cap the come up with? Please help me understand this better as I am quite confused.

    • Yes, you’re absolutely right: you are already paying for usage based billing. You signed up for that when you contracted with Rogers.

      But I didn’t. My internet is through an Independent ISP that connects to the Internet through Bell GAS. Now you’re wondering– a Rogers customer– what this has to do with you, right? The only reason the Internet rates you pay aren’t drastically higher still right now is because of those Independent ISPs. Competition.

      UBB is bad because the CRTC gave Bell permission to impose their pricing on the Independent ISPs. Bell gets to raise the rates without doing anything. They don’t need to make improvements. UBB will be ADDED to what the Independent ISPs customers pay already. Bell asked for the increase to make the Internet more expensive ON PURPOSE so Canadians will use it less. CRTC said yes to helping Bell “manage” the Internet traffic. By making it too expensive to use as much– so that Bell doesn’t have to improve. This will raise Independent ISP rates to be as high as Bell rates.

      (This way Bell gets more money and does not have to improve anything to get it.)

      It will do one of two things (a) force the Independents to be just like Bell or (b) go out of business. Either way, consumers lose. We will be back where we were when the government FORCED Bell to open up the Internet market to Independents so that there could be competition. Once the Independent ISPs are gone, it is unlikely any more will occur in a place where regulatory action can so easily put you out of business. Prices for Bell and Rogers will go way up once the Independents are gone.

      The thing to remember is that right now, before UBB, the Independent ISP customers are paying way less than either Bell or Rogers customers. Because there is no UBB charged. Why don’t the Independent ISPs charge UBB? They don’t have to. The only REAL costs of the Internet access is the infrastructure: the equipment and the wires. Once that’s in place, the only cost is maintenance and upgrading. The point of charging a monthly fee is to pay for maintenance and improvement.

      You should understand is that bandwidth they charge you $1.50 for actually does not in itself cost them anything. But by charging it they make much greater profits. And now they won’t even have to bother with improvements. The CRTC has just given them a license to charge whatever they like.

      • ubb sucks said

        I understand that bandwidth does not cost anything in itself and that there is enough bandwidth to go around for everyone that wants to have unlimited bandwidth that they can do so. I understand that they are just making higher profits because of this and they are really just hungry for more money, as if they millions/billions they have aren’t already enough and they aren’t already making enough money. I hate how they reduced the amount of bandwidth allowed by like 15gb or 20gb for some plans when netflix came to canada because they realized they would be losing money off of their PPV, they figured they could make innocent non-netflix users suffer. I was just wondering if come july 1, 2011 prices would go up even more for rogers or not because apparently rogers is getting UBB july 1, 2011 even though they already charge for UBB? Unless of course, that’s only for independent isps that branch off of them like you said. I just don’t want to have to pay outrageously more for less or the same BW, if other countries can have unlimited and even nova scotia’s isps provide unlimted bandwidth, why can’t canada have at least decent bandwidth rates? This isn’t fair. 😦

  6. Meh said

    I’m living in an unlucky cursed location doomed for eternity where bell and rogers are the only options. What can you do? Either swim with the sharks or swim with the fishies!

    I can see the future now: High speed internet vs Chuck Noris 😛

    • Well, I rather think both are sharks.

      The thing is, all the Independents would have expanded their broadband service a great deal more than they have done of they hadn’t been spending so much of their energy and resources in court battling the CRTC’s misguided regulations. (The incumbents profit by preventing the Independents from getting a toehold, so whether they win or lose, it is worth their while to go to court.)

      When starting up ISPs first go to dense markets (heavily populated cities) to get established. As those markets get filled they spread into smaller markets that don’t return as much profit on the investment. The reams of advertising I am subjected to by both Bell and Rogers have convinced that the dense markets are being fought hard for. Bell wants to give me THREE MONTHS FREE and Rogers wants to give me a $200 BEST BUY CARD.

      Now, we both know that there’s no such thing as a free lunch so if they are making these offers they expect to make more than enough profit off customer gouging to offset their outlay. There are places too sparsely settled to justify cable; I think if things were regulated properly any place that can support both phone and cable Internet will eventually be served by the Independents. (An excellent reason for Bell to want to stop their spread.)

      What you can do is complain to your ISP and ask them why they aren’t giving *you* these offers. Aren’t you a loyal customer? But if you want change, write letters to tell the government that you want meaningful competition. If our government stands by and allows the Incumbents to kill off all the competition a second time, I think it will be far more unlikely that we’ll get another chance.

  7. […] —Bob Jonkman, Comment on: Why Do Bell and Rogers Have Customers? […]

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  9. NEOhm said

    Last month I went on a download spree, and not only passed my 90GB (50GB + $5/month 40GB “Download Insurance” extra perk I ordered) a month limit, but well past the $1/GB to a max of $30 …. and I ended up downloading over THREE TIMES the download cap! It cost me the extra $30 … but still, almost 300GB is a lot of data! And No nasty letter. No problems from Bell. They enjoyed getting my $30 extra.

    As for Speed – I have the Fibe12 line, and once you learn about the technical reality of “Network Overhead”, you will learn that my 10.something Mb/s is actually EXACTLY what I paid for (a really good technician was impressed and said “Wow, you’ve got a perfect signal, your getting pretty much exactly the max throughput!”) ….. However, this still falls under the case of how marketing plays tricks on you …. I’d much rather them take the overhead into consideration and make it a “Fibe12.something” which would end up at my house with a consistent 12Mb/s AFTER the overhead effect. This is right in line with how Hard Drives are marketed (My 1TB HDD? Yah, right … you try fitting more than 931GB into THAT! Try it! 😛 and try getting 500 1GB files to fit into 465GB)

    BUT …. and this is a big one, related strongly to a point made in the article …. On Legitimate websites, where I did this download spree … there was NO SPEED CAP … Files were transferring at a staggering 1.2+ MEGABYTES PER SECOND, consistently, seamlessly until I was done. OVER 300 GIGABYTES of data, unscathed by Bell’s “speed traps” …. Why? Because it wasn’t P-2-P.
    This both titillates and bothers me – it’s cool I can get such insane amounts of data at such groundbreaking speed, consistently (ahhh, memories of old, when praying to squeeze another 1kbps out of your modem …. now we have passed the HOLLY GRAIL of downloading, the ONE MEGA-BYTE /second mark) …. but the fact that I can “theoretically ‘abuse'” my bandwidth like that, on one type of content, but not on another, is aggravating. I’m using their services, heavily, either way …. they STILL provide me the service I paid for, a LOT for, why should I be limited at all?

    Nine Inch Nails released one of their albums online via Bit Torrent, because they released it in Higher-Than-CD-Quality HD FLAC format … How dare Bell slow down my download of this completely legal, legit, free, download!?

    • You should NOT be limited at all. That’s what Net Neutrality is all about. They should not be allowed to discriminate against sites or users. Period.

      If there is law breaking, the forces of law should be dealing with it. ISP/Carriers are not law enforcement.

      Let me point out that your use of the phrase “legitimate websites” is a misnomer. P2P sites ARE legitimate. This is part of the propaganda war against consumers. They (the Copyright Lobby) want to make “download” a dirty word. Downloading is what users do on the Internet. Every email you open involves downloading. Every site your view online requires downloading. Yet respectable news media like Canada’s National Newspaper uses the word “downloading” as synonymous with “illegal downloading.” Try not to fall into that trap.

      Because Bit Torrent software IS legal. Canadian Broadcaster CBC has used bit-torrent. The Norwegian Broadcasting Network as well, because it is EFFICIENT.

      Your Nine Inch Nails story is another perfect example. Feature films like “Sita Sings the Blues” and “Die Beauty” are legally released by their creators via torrents, because torrents are an efficient use of bandwidth. On the one hand they say that bandwidth is expensive so they have to cap it and then they discriminate against efficient use of it? Torrent distribution costs next to nothing which is wonderful for Independent filmmakers and other content creators. So discriminating against p2p is bad for Canadian culture.

      They dare because Canada’s supposed regulatory board, the CRTC allows them to. It doesn’t matter if the CRTC is venal or incompetent, either way we need to http://dissolvethecrtc.ca/

  10. David said

    Although I use teksavvy, they are only offering “up to 5MB/sec” as well. I only get about 0.25MB/sec due to being 5KM from some central place. I can live with this speed, but would definitely prefer at least 1+ MB/sec.

    • TekSavvy accesses the Internet through Bell’s Gateway Access System. That’s their limiter. We’re paying for 5 and getting maybe 2.5 on average. Teksavvy has advised that we put up with it since complaining to Bell can result in having bad go to worse. There are all sorts of ways to degrade things without being obvious.

      In some places Bell has somewhat faster bandwidth but even though the Independent ISPs complained to the CRTC, and the CRTC told Bell to share (as I recall it wasn’t a huge difference, maybe 7mb or 9) Bell has so far not shared.

      I still recommend http://dissolvethecrtc.ca/

  11. Cole said

    Nice article but many things you write show that you don’t know much about internet and technology…………

    • I’m willing to lay odds Cole here is a troll. This is an example of classic trolling method… start with a backhanded complement in an attempt to flatter me into publishing it along with vague aspersions against my content.

      Anyone who actually reads this blog is well aware that I am NOT a techie, and in fact, that IS the point. This blog exists to explain computer issues to ordinary people like myself. Tech people already know this stuff. The only reason tech people might need this blog for is a place to direct their less computer savvy friends & family. Learning this stuff isn’t fun for me, it’s work, but it’s also important. A blog like this would be equally hard for a real tech person, because they don’t usually understand what we don’t get.

      I do research and I do actually have a few computer folk as regular readers who let me know if I mess up, and explain where I’ve gone wrong.

      But what the hey, we’re all learning here. And Cole isn’t trying to fly a link to some malware or spam site, he’s just trying to damage my credibility. Cool. Must mean I’m ruffling some feathers. 😀

      More information about trolls: Trollbusters

  12. Regarding the DSL modem purchase cost: Teksavvy charges only $75 for a Speedtouch 516 modem (down from $99 a few years ago), and the same modem is available from Acme Telephone for $50.

    Bell offers 25 Mbps (million bits per second) download speeds, with a 75 GByte cap. 75 GBytes is 600,000 Mbits, so at 25 Mbps it takes only 6 hours and 40 minutes to use up all your bandwidth for the month…

    –Bob.

    • This is the BEST COMMENT I have ever read.

      A math-phobe like me would never have worked that one out. I KNOW I’m gonna be quoting that one a LOT. 😀

    • Rob P said

      Hey Bob,

      I don’t follow your math, am I missing something?

      There are 25,600 megabytes in 25 gigabytes. (25 * 1024)

    • jack said

      Bell is going to release FIBE 50(50Mbps) in onterio with 100GB cap.

      and

      in Quebec Bell is going to release FIBE 50(50Mbps) and FIBE 175(175Mbps) both with 100GB cap

      price of FIBE 175 is $250 CAD.
      and FIBE 50 is $77 CAD.

      both will be released by may 2011

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  14. RobertX said

    Laurel, do you agree with the face that these monopolies along with their dictatorial “good deal” policies won’t last forever?

    • If Bell and Rogers succeed in putting the Independent Internet Service Providers out of business via CRTC regulation, I suspect it will be a long time before Canada has any new meaningful Internet competition. So that could leave the field to Bell/Telus and Rogers/etc. At that point I expect there will be a fight to the finish and a clear victor.

      The clear loser will be Canada.

    • If Bell and Rogers succeed in putting the Independent Internet Service Providers out of business via CRTC regulation, I suspect it will be a long time before Canada has any new meaningful Internet competition. So that could leave the field to Bell/Telus and Rogers/etc. At that point I expect there will be a fight to the finish and a clear victor.

      The clear loser will be Canada.

      Don’t forget: http://dissolvethecrtc.ca/

      • RobertX said

        Why go to that website? The owner who originated the petition already lost faith. 😦

      • It is really easy to get disheartened when the politicians who are supposed to represent you completely ignore the wishes of the Canadian public and make laws we don’t want.

        But the petition is an important tool, so that’s what today’s StopUBB post is about: Sign the Petition

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